Re: Soft for Dancers Up Date #2/ Articles On Line[wasDear Armando I appreciate your further comments. I apologise for delay in my reply, I'm inbetween trips and other work overload... >First of all let me repeat that for me there is a difference between movement and gesture that is essential... I fully agree with your comments. Sorry for possible misunderstandings due to my very rough descriptions of "expressive gesture" and of "microdance" concepts. I think the issues raised in this discussion would be interesting to be faced in a sort of informal meeting. We were asked to organise (very preliminary pre-announcement...) the next "Gesture Workshop" in spring 2003 in Genoa, You may find info on previous Gesture Workshops in http://www.TechFak.Uni-Bielefeld.DE/ags/wbski/GW/ It would be interesting I think to have in this occasion (and/or hopefully earlier!) some contribute/round table or some useful discussion on these issues. >Yes, I agree, but the psychologists works you cite (I'd like to know to whom you refer to) can also be dangerous if they want to >recreate a universal model (a "religious" perspective most of the time) like Bartenieff "Foundamentals" or other kind of >archetypes. My opinion is very close to Daniel Sterne : we all have a personal "profile of activation". So, the models are >essentially personal. But there are some families linled to cutural values. I refer for example to psychological work surveyed by Wallbot (1980) in their interesting paper on the source of expression in movement, or to concrete implementations of such models such as thos of Pollick et al (on the web you may find several their recent papers: I can send you pointers if you want), or the technical survey by Cowie and others in the IEEE Signal Processing Magazine last year, where there is an interesting perspective of such contributes from psychology as they are seen by engineers (again, sorry for the "rough" exmplanations). You may find a recent paper describing our work and some references in our web page http://infomus.dist.unige.it (see menu "Publications", the first paper in the list, available for download as PDF, that I'll present at NIME conference on musical interfaces in Dublin). > Cultural context is not only the century and the country. ... Again; sorry for my short and incomplete description. I agree with you. You may imagine however my example (two performances of the same piece, one inspired and one not ...etc) in some - let's say - "invariant" context, to try to investigate the subtleties I mentioned. > I really believe that you can do something. But machine Movement analysis must be done in parallel, > in my opinion, with some body movement analyst done by a human (we strike back!) that is able to tell you > differences that are not readable by actual technology in terms of meaning in order to double check. I completely agree with you. Our approach is exactly in this direction: we work with humans, in terms of spectators (eg comparing spectators' rating with results of our implemented models/techniques) as well as experts that observes and supervise/discuss the technical approach. > Quando vuoi (sorry guys, Italians can sometimes be impolite) I look forward to meet you soon, you are very welcome in Genoa! if you have occasion to be in the surrounding please let me know! > Even though I'm on mac (Love that admits no betraying) I think that your project is great and the music connection is > maybe a "Passage to India" that can bring more consciousness of the dancer movement for selfcontrol and better > performance (think about Rockeby articles about sensation after use of VNS). > Feedback is definitely my central keyword for the moment. Thanks for your kind words. We know and appreciated the work by Rockeby and others interesting developments. > Yes. Again, think about Rockeby Or Susan Kozel experience with magnetic mocap showing her movement in > real time with a body of cubes and balloons.... I don't know the work of Susan Kozel. Do you have any reference? Thanks for your very interesting comments.I look forward to meet you in the near future. All the best Antonio
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