Re: Interface at Mobius/critique (more old & tired?)

From: david divizio (ddivizio@hotmail.com)
Date: 10/03/00


<x-flowed>Dawn wrote:
There are two issues here.

Divizio wrote:
Only two?


OK. I sense that you are a little frustrated by being somewhere lower than 
at the pinnacle of the pyramid.
Consider that the funding bodies fund according to a program...ie, the 
Top-Down one.

Artist? at the pinnacle?

Those using cool technologies in challenging ways are less likely to be 
recognized by such funders.
I  won't even attempt a swing at your devious attempt to move yourself to 
the margin by raising the gender split thing.
Are we talking "dance" here, or "art"? Not necessarily the same.  If your 
interest is art I suggest the problem is falling into a satisfactory 
definition by people who possibly don't know the difference.

Dance is much easier to "streamline" into "acceptability".... and hence 
recognition ..... in the guise of funding.

But don't get to thinking so easily that art is what streams from the 
possibilities of using "their" systems to create something "different" just 
because it hasn't been done before.

Here is an interesting opening on "Content".
CONTENT: There is no clear consensus on what the content of a work of art 
<http://www.arts.ouc.bc.ca/fiar/glossary/a_list.html> is. Some would 
distinguish subject matter from content -- i.e., denotations vs. 
connotations, more or less -- while others would prefer terms like meaning 
<http://www.arts.ouc.bc.ca/fiar/glossary/m_list.html> and significance 
<http://www.arts.ouc.bc.ca/fiar/glossary/s_list.html>. What follows is a 
provisional record which tries to take into account most of the available 
possibilities. For the sake of categorical clarity, we can arbitrarily 
differentiate content from form 
<http://www.arts.ouc.bc.ca/fiar/glossary/f_list.html> and context, although 
there are clear points of interchange or mutual inflection 
<http://www.arts.ouc.bc.ca/fiar/glossary/i_list.html>. Simply put, content 
is "what" the work is (about), while form and context are "how" the work is 
and "in what circumstances" the work is, respectively. Within the category 
of content we can further distinguish three levels of complexity. Although 
they are arranged numerically here, there is no intrinsic 
<http://www.arts.ouc.bc.ca/fiar/glossary/i_list.html> hierarchy that holds 
true for all audiences 
<http://www.arts.ouc.bc.ca/fiar/glossary/a_list.html>. The primary content 
includes literal <http://www.arts.ouc.bc.ca/fiar/glossary/l_list.html> 
iconography; straightforward subjects and imagery; and describable facts, 
actions, and/or poses. The secondary content includes the basic genres 
<http://www.arts.ouc.bc.ca/fiar/glossary/g_list.html> (history, 
megalography, mythology, religion, portraiture, landscape, still-life, 
genre, rhopography); figurative 
<http://www.arts.ouc.bc.ca/fiar/glossary/f_list.html> meanings like those 
afforded by conventional signs and symbols (including allegories, 
attributes, personifications, and traditional connotations); basic tropes 
<http://www.arts.ouc.bc.ca/fiar/glossary/t_list.html> (metaphor, metonymy, 
synecdoche, irony, parody, etc.); and/or performative effects 
(paralinguistic <http://www.arts.ouc.bc.ca/fiar/glossary/p_list.html> formal 
inflection of content). The tertiary content represents the convergence and 
mutual inflection of form, content, and context. The primary content of 
Ingres's Napoleon Enthroned, for example, would simply be a richly dressed 
individual sitting on a throne, etc. The secondary content would become a 
megalographic portrait of a particular political figure, identifiable as 
Emperor by the various attributes, and given extra dignity by stylistic 
treatment, not to mention compositional allusion 
<http://www.arts.ouc.bc.ca/fiar/glossary/a_list.html> to Phidias's Olympian 
Zeus. The tertiary level can be understood either as simple one-way 
determinacy <http://www.arts.ouc.bc.ca/fiar/glossary/d_list.html> or as a 
two-way chiasmus. I.e., Ingres's painting glorifies Napoleon in apparent 
imagery and style, as well as in context -- which is to say not only that 
Napoleon is idealized for obvious contextual reasons, but that obvious (and 
sometimes not so obvious) contextual factors are also idealized by Napoleon 
(or at least by his representation 
<http://www.arts.ouc.bc.ca/fiar/glossary/r_list.html>). In theory, failure 
to perform an exhaustive analysis of the interrelations of these levels 
opens the artwriter <http://www.arts.ouc.bc.ca/fiar/glossary/a_list.html> to 
charges of interpretive agnosia 
<http://www.arts.ouc.bc.ca/fiar/glossary/i_list.html>.
                             Robert Belton

Divizio:
Finding a new way of working with the technology itself puts us very far 
towards the margin...and hence funding possibilities....BUT, closer to the 
thing called art....


MUCH better if we give up all ideas of communicating the art....ie...the 
delivery of the "Art" and try something "other" like refining our art of 
Communicating.....WHICH, I might add, dancers are in a rather fine position 
to assist in the ensuing "adjustment".....historically ...or herstorically, 
if you must ...though I prefer An-storically..... in the wake of the Post 
Modern upheaval.





Dawn continues:

Sigh. I know this sounds bitter...I guess it is. But it's my deep dark fear. 
But, the bright side could be that advertising will (is?) begin to resemble 
art and we will (do?) enjoy it. Don't swallow my bitter pill. It's just 
venting.
Dawn


Divizio:

sympathetic venting,


                     0!Z!^!P Z P!^VP
                              @
                         d^vid 2 diviZi0

_________________________________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at 
http://profiles.msn.com.
</x-flowed>



This archive was generated by hypermail 2b30 : 03/28/01 CST